How to Make High-Protein Eating Easy with Cam Allen

What's Aliye cooking this week? 5 quick & delicious high-protein meals!
[Grab the recipes here]

Today’s guest, Cam Allen, is here to shed light on one of the most powerful tools for women in menopause: high-protein eating.

In this episode, we dive deep into how high-protein eating can transform your body and help you feel stronger, more energized, and ready to take on the world at any age. If you’re ready to discover the nutritional strategies that can make all the difference, stay tuned—this conversation is packed with actionable insights you won’t want to miss!

As a fitness and functional nutrition coach, Cam specializes in helping women build muscle, improve energy, and support their metabolism with the right nutrition.

Connect with Cam on her website and on Instagram.

If you're ready to take the guesswork out of high-protein meals, register for my FREE upcoming training, 5 Simple Steps to Master Your High-Protein Meals! Click the link now to register: https://www.soulspacechef.com/class

In this episode you'll hear:

• How Cam came to become a high-protein eater
• Why more protein is needed in menopause
• How to look at our body's changes in a positive light
• How to start high-protein eating with ease 
• The most important first step to eating more high-protein meals
• Why animal-based high-protein meals are key
• How one animal-based protein can help heal gut health
• Collagen hot-chocolate recipe
• How much protein you should ideally have daily
• How to make high-protein breakfasts easier
• The benefits of tracking your protein intake
• What are exercise "snacks" and how they impact your health
• Lowering your blood sugar by eating your food in a certain order
• Make this drink before eating a high-carb meal to help control blood sugar

Links:

• Aliye's cooking videos: Watch now on Youtube
• FREE High-Protein Meals Training

Transcript

Cam Allen: Former classroom teacher made the transition to the gym probably in 2009 and…

Aliye Aydin: Okay.

Cam Allen: then menopause happened. So, I switched gears again.

Aliye Aydin: And I invited her on the show today to talk about the role of high protein eating in Perry and menopause. And as some of I have recently started a Hi, Hold on. I'm going to have to edit this. I'm having January getting back into a brain.

Cam Allen: I hear you.

Aliye Aydin: Okay, so some of my purpose and inspiration for cooking has always been about health. And in my latest iteration, it's a cooking membership for high protein eating and meals that I just started, which I'm going to talk about more later. But I wanted to bring Cam on here to talk more about the importance of eating protein in this phase of life. mainly because while I know about it, my background is a chef and most of my nutrition info is just the stuff that I read and the stuff that helps me feel the best. But I always love to get that kind of extra reminder about why it is that we need more protein in this phase of our lives because that's often what brings people to high protein eat.

Cam Allen: That's what brought me to here.

Aliye Aydin: So I'd love to hear a little bit more about your journey and also kind of if you can remind people in a very simple way why do we need more protein in this phase of our lives?

Cam Allen: So I came to my high protein life in the backwards way. I was a vegetarian for years and then I was a pescatarian for a while and then menopause happened six years ago and every part of me knew that I was missing something big and I actually started with collagen and bone broth. I started slow. That was my and…

Aliye Aydin: Okay.

Cam Allen: then That was my next jump. so I started slow and I just innately knew that I was missing something, that I couldn't keep exercising like I was and eating like I was and actually feel good in my body and have energy to do what I wanted to do. So that's how I backed myself into this situation. I've been in the fitness world since 2009, but this next iteration of

Aliye Aydin: Okay. Hello.

Cam Allen: okay, things are different on this side of menopause, including our fitness and our nutrition. do I need to know? what am I missing? And so when it comes to menopause, our digestion is different now. It's one of the things that gets affected with estrogen tanks out in post-menopause. So, we don't digest the protein as much as we used to. So, therefore we need more.

Aliye Aydin: Interesting. That is what I had not heard.

Cam Allen: The other thing and…

Aliye Aydin: Very cool. Okay, red.

Cam Allen: so if you need help digesting proteins, honestly, I was quite scared when I first first had fillet. I was like, "What's going to happen to my stomach?" You make less stomach acid. And then where do you have the stomach acid to actually digest it? Because really, it's what we digest and absorb, not what we put in our mouth. Same with supplements,…

Aliye Aydin: Yes. Yes.

Cam Allen: right? Right.

Aliye Aydin: Definitely. Yeah.

Cam Allen: And so, some many women have to use digestive aids digestive enzymes to actually get the benefits from eating more protein. have you run across that with your people?

Aliye Aydin: That's awesome. Yeah. No, that has not been brought up yet. I love that. Yeah. I hadn't even thought about that aspect of it at all. I read more about that our muscles start to we don't have as much muscle mass and…

Cam Allen: That Yeah.

Aliye Aydin: so that was the reason so that's always the thing in the forefront of my head is the muscle mass thing.

Cam Allen: Let we can talk about that because we do lose 3 to 8% of our muscle mass per decade and…

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Right. Right.

Cam Allen: that accelerates it menopause. And if you're on social media for a second in the menopause world, you'll hear you're supposed to lift weights, you're supposed to eat protein. But why? And we do want to keep our muscles are the organ of longevity. And so strength training and eating protein go hand in hand. There's

Aliye Aydin: Got it. Yes, these two good things go together. Okay. I love what you say on your social media about menopause being a gateway to greatness. That seems to be one of your big messages is that transformation and…

Cam Allen: Yeah. …

Aliye Aydin: I'm always interested in transformations. I just love that idea. Can you say more About stepping into something. Yeah.

Cam Allen: I think we have a choice. We can wither up and say we're old and not do the things we want to do and not feel great in our body and our physical body and our emotional body. Or we can choose to look at it a different way. Be curious about the changes our body is making and ask what can I do to feel better in my body and eating protein is one of those things for sure. Like I said earlier, I innately knew I had a hyctomy. So I went into surgical menopause at the age of I was a week weeks before 50. So six years ago I know that I'm missing something here. I tried to go back to the gym. I tried to eat like I had been eating and I felt horrible. So I knew something had to change.

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Aliye Aydin: stomach issues from eating a lot of vegetables that I kind of lied to myself about. I was like,…

Cam Allen: Right. Mhm.

Aliye Aydin: I'm always eating this healthy food and I always feel terrible afterward. And then I caught wind of some article about women over 45 and enough protein. And I was like, okay, forget it. I'm just going to try this high protein thing for a couple weeks and see how I feel. And that was it. I was like, " my god, I have so much more energy. My stomach issues are gone. I don't have that afternoon dip." That was the big one for me.

Cam Allen: Yes.

Aliye Aydin: I always had that 400 p.m. dip that had a stomach issue that went along with it and it was my whole life literally. And within weeks it was gone. I'm like, "All right,…

Cam Allen: Yeah. Yeah.

Aliye Aydin: this is here to stay.

Cam Allen: Protein definitely helps you feel satisfied and satiated and you have the energy to do what you need to do. I know for me if I like crave salmon or I crave fillet those are the things I crave and that's such a funny thing.

Aliye Aydin: Right. Right.

Cam Allen: It's not like the cookies anymore. It's not the bag of chips. My cravings have shifted when I shifted

Aliye Aydin: Yeah, I love that. And talking about shifting, one of the things you said in your social media was about starting simple so that your brain knows it's safe. So, I think a lot about the transition. I get a lot of questions about people like they know it's something they're supposed to do is eat more high protein, but they kind of have a hard time starting, …

Cam Allen: 100% with anything you want to.

Aliye Aydin: with anything.

Cam Allen: Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Aliye Aydin: Absolutely. But I think it's really interesting to remember that there's no shame or guilt associated have to be associated with not being able to start something new. Right. It's your brain that you have to teach to do something new.

Cam Allen: And I was thinking about it,…

Aliye Aydin: Right. Right.

Cam Allen: We have New Year's resolutions. We're in the middle of winter. It's currently snowing. We have about a foot of snow on the ground.

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Right. Totally.

Cam Allen: We're in the dormant season, yet we're trying to start something new. It's kind of like maybe New Year should be in the spring when everything's sprouting and…

Aliye Aydin: Totally. Yeah. Right.

Cam Allen: growing. So, you have to be gentle with yourself when you're trying something new. It's okay if it doesn't work out. You're still trying. You're observing yourself try something new. And you do need to tell your brain it's safe. So celebrating those small wins, for example, one of my things I like to do with my clients is making sure they plan their protein first. what are they going to eat instead of the fun food, quote unquote,…

Aliye Aydin: Right. …

Cam Allen: planning that protein first. If you do that and start showing up for yourself in a new way, you need to acknowledge that you're doing that to tell your brain it's safe to change and it's okay.

Aliye Aydin: that's great. So, that's what the planning does. it helps you actually do the thing, but then it's also serving this second purpose of safety.

Cam Allen: Absolutely. I recently read that our brain uses 20% of the energy of our body,…

Aliye Aydin: Yeah, I love that.

Cam Allen: but it's only 4% of our mass.

Aliye Aydin: Interesting. Okay, that has a hold on us.

Cam Allen: So, it's really in control, So anytime we can work away our way around that and tell ourselves it's okay and stay in that calm relaxed state. Mhm.

Aliye Aydin: Right. Right. I think part of the reason I resisted a particular diet for so long is because I'm not like a mentality person. and I never really have been. And I really resist that idea or feeling of needing to eat a certain thing or be on a diet or get in my head about it so that I'm getting obsessive about it. how can we do you think I mean this is probably part of it but keep a healthy outlook on wanting to eat more protein. Maybe you already said it. Being kind with yourself, not diving into stuff so all or nothing, …

Cam Allen: Yeah, that's exactly right.

Aliye Aydin: unless I eat this much protein, I'm quitting forever and I'm never going to try again type of thing.

Cam Allen: I really am a fan of setting small intentions and celebrating those small wins along the way.

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Yeah.

Cam Allen: Seriously, start with just planning your protein one meal a day. Just start there.

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Right.

Cam Allen: And then notice, here's the thing for me. I need to know why.

Aliye Aydin: That's why you're here.

Cam Allen: I don't know. That's right. I need to know why. And so connecting that food to how you feel, which you mentioned, you changed your diet and you noticed your energy changed, your stomach didn't hurt, all of those things. So learning your bio feedback. I think as a woman, I'll be 56 next week. I never thought about my body. I did what the experts said, quote unquote, and I just checked the box and I never really checked in with myself. And I think that's why menopause is really the gateway to your greatness.

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Aliye Aydin: Right. Right.

Cam Allen: It's a chance to slow down and understand how your body responds to food, to exercise, to people, all the things. And then you have a choice. do I want to keep on this path or do I want to make a different decision?

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. I love that. That is a really great way to go forward. Do you have any tips for vegetarians or people who tend to eat less meat and this idea? Okay, I'm going to clarify here. This is another conversation maybe. I do all animal-based protein because I don't do as well with not animal-based protein. And one of the biggest questions I get is, "Hey, can I sub in non-animalbased protein?" And I'm like, you can,…

Cam Allen: Okay. Yeah.

Aliye Aydin: but as not being a nutritionist, a dietitian, I don't feel like I can speak as well to that. I just know that it doesn't make me feel great. And I know when you get into the non-animalbased protein, you're adding a lot more calories. Is that what I'm understanding correctly?

Cam Allen: And if you look at it from an iron point of view, like the RDA for iron for vegetarians is much much higher because again it's what you absorb, not what you eat.

Aliye Aydin: Right. Right.

Cam Allen: And so how is your body using that? And I'll use iron for an example because I think the RDA gets a lot of things wrong. But this one I think the RDA recommendations for vegetarians is much higher than animal protein people 100%.

Aliye Aydin: I didn't know that. So, from an iron perspective, animal-based is I don't want to say better, but it's going to be more effective in helping you reach your goals. Yeah. Yeah.

Cam Allen: Maybe it's more efficient. if you're concerned about keeping your muscle mass, knowing that it is the muscle the organ of longevity, I always try to connect it to a why. So, why do you want to eat more protein? Is it because of your muscle mass? Is it also we need to talk about bones? Because that's another thing. Protein works alongside with calcium and vitamin D to help keep your bones. So, in my fitness world, bones and muscles are the two things women don't want to lose as they age.

Aliye Aydin: Right. Right.

Cam Allen: And then protein is like the support team. It helps it.

Aliye Aydin: Got it. I love You're giving me all the wise. I love it. It's so good. So, do you go ahead?

Cam Allen: I think that's how my brain works. If I know…

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Yeah.

Cam Allen: why I'm doing something, I'm more compliant. I'm like, " okay.

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Same.

Cam Allen: I'm going to go check this box.

Aliye Aydin: I'm exactly the same as that. I can follow along for a while but then after a while it doesn't stick right if I don't have that underlevel of this is why you're doing it knowing that bit.

Cam Allen: Mhm.

Aliye Aydin: So what do you have any tips for vegetarians or people who tend to eat less meat and they want to go there but they're just I don't know scared, nervous, think they're not going to think they're going to have big stomach issues. what can you say for somebody who's really starting out on this animalbased Coteen journey.

Cam Allen: So for me my first animal products I feel like I was interested in my gut health. I had very strange rashes which women in menopause happen and that's one of the things that's related to your gut health. So I started with collagen in my coffee.

Aliye Aydin: So, collagen has a lot of protein in it. I don't know. I didn't have that on my radar.

Cam Allen: Yes it does.

Aliye Aydin: I knew of collagen, but I hadn't connected it to protein yet. Okay.

Cam Allen: And I find starting my day with collagen, it's not a complete amino acid. So, it's missing one, I think. So, it's not a complete,…

Aliye Aydin: Okay. Totally. Yeah.

Cam Allen: profile as far as protein goes. However, when I start my day with protein, I know the rest of the day is more stable. I have better energy and I'm not in the cabinet looking for crunchy, salty things in a bag. So, that's just my feedback. That's what I noticed. So, that's where I started. I knew there were benefits for gut health as far as collagen goes. My second protein was Again, bone broth is easy to digest and it also has gut healing properties. So, that's…

Aliye Aydin: Right. Right.

Cam Allen: how my brain works. So, I think I had problems with my gut. Most women do. And I menopause and I had other symptoms. Actually, the first six months were really, really hard. And so, I knew I had to change something. That's where I started slow and simple. And then I remember loving filt. So, I'm like, "Okay, we'll just jump right over to filt." So,…

Aliye Aydin: Go to the thing that you love and…

Cam Allen: right. Right.

Aliye Aydin: lean into that.

Cam Allen: The collagen and…

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Yeah.

Cam Allen: the bone broth kind of can sneak into things and you're not like chewing a hunk of meat. so that might be an easier entry point.

Aliye Aydin: Right. Yeah.

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Cam Allen: And then also that we know that there's health benefits to those foods.

Aliye Aydin: I love this. We're going to segue to this collagen What is this? Chalk hot chocolate. You've been posting on Instagram. You posted it a couple times. The first time …

Cam Allen: Yeah. …

Aliye Aydin: "Okay, okay." And then you posted it a second time. I'm like, "Okay, what does this actually taste like? What is in this hot chocolate?" Okay.

Cam Allen: it is bone broth for I use beef because I just do.

Aliye Aydin: Right. Yeah.

Cam Allen: So, I have beef broom broth and then it has unsweetened cocoa powder,…

Aliye Aydin: Okay. Yeah.

Cam Allen: real maple syrup. You can add a scoop of collagen if you want to boost the protein even more. Yesterday, I added a little vanilla, which is lovely. And then milk of choice. So yesterday I used whole milk, but I've used coconut milk before. I've used my dad left some oat milk, which I don't usually use oat milk because it tends to spike your blood sugar.

Aliye Aydin: Right. Yeah.

Cam Allen: So I've tried three different Every milk that you use changes the flavor of it, but it's delicious.

Aliye Aydin: It doesn't taste like the broth. how does the chocolate fit in?

Cam Allen: No. Yeah.

Aliye Aydin: I need to go try this. I'm pretty sure I have all the ingredients. I'm like, I need to go mix this up…

Aliye Aydin: because some things you would never think of.

Cam Allen: Yeah. Right.

Aliye Aydin: I'm like creamy, soupy. …

Cam Allen: Yeah. I also have a bone broth latte,…

Aliye Aydin: so yeah, this is great.

Cam Allen: which that was the first time.

Aliye Aydin: Right.

Cam Allen: And that's more like savory versus sweet.

Aliye Aydin: Right. Yeah,…

Cam Allen: And I'll send you the recipe. I can't think of it off the top of my head.

Aliye Aydin: I'm all about the recipes.

Cam Allen: And I think that one has turmeric and…

Aliye Aydin: That's what I do. I love that.

Cam Allen: rosemary. Again, beneficial. It's more cozy. whereas more savory I would say and…

Aliye Aydin: Right. I love that.

Cam Allen: then the hot chocolate is more sweet. It's delicious.

Aliye Aydin: So, the collagen in a single serving is how much protein do you know off the top?

Cam Allen: Yeah. I think we use Equip at our house.

Aliye Aydin: Is it like 30 grams or No, it's like Okay.

Cam Allen: Equip foods. because it's clean and I'm pretty sure it's 10 grams per scoop.

Aliye Aydin: So in the morning if you're having a couple eggs and then it can help you get to that 30 grams.

Cam Allen: 100%. I usually do two scoops a day, so I'm at 20 grams without my And Greek yogurt's amazing, right?

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Yeah. remind me again. I'm just dumping all my questions on you here if you don't mind. So the 30 grams thing, where does that come from? Can you remind me again?

Cam Allen: I used to say 20 grams…

Aliye Aydin: That's what I have put my it's easy to reach 30 gram of protein per serving. That's not random, is it?

Cam Allen: because I was coming from the vegetarian world.

Aliye Aydin: Okay. Right.

Cam Allen: I'm like okay 25. And really if you want to hit 100 grams a day which is a really good target.

Aliye Aydin: Okay. Right.

Cam Allen: Some women need more. I have a client that she's at 140 a day and she's doing great and it's helping her with her cravings and she's lost some weight over the last year and she's feeling amazing, getting stronger,…

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Right.

Cam Allen: all the things. So I would say north of 100 grams and so if you did three meals of 30 then you're getting close without a,…

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Right.

Cam Allen: without a snack or anything. So correct.

Aliye Aydin: And the amount that you want to hit is based on your weight. Is that what it is? Yeah. Okay.

Cam Allen: Yeah, usually it's one gram per ideal lean body mass. So if you had a target weight of 150,…

Aliye Aydin: Got it.

Cam Allen: then that would be your goal for protein 150. But you got to work up to it.

Aliye Aydin: Okay. Yeah.

Cam Allen: Our digestion, like I said, is not as firing as it used to. So we need to be gentle with our system and…

Aliye Aydin: Right. Yeah.

Cam Allen: and also be gentle with your mind. if you don't hit 150,…

Aliye Aydin: Right. Right.

Cam Allen: it's not the end of the world.

Aliye Aydin: And I'm never a fan of forcing ourselves to eat something we don't want to. some mornings I'm just like I can't do it. I'm just not hungry.

Cam Allen: Yeah.

Aliye Aydin: And one of the things I do will be like I'll have the two or three eggs and then two hours later I'll have some yogurt. And then that way I've gotten to that point and I'm like that's good. Just sometimes first thing in the morning eating all that food straight away I'm just like I can't…

Cam Allen: Right. Yeah.

Aliye Aydin: because a lot of it depends on what I had last night all this stuff. So trying to be gentle definitely.

Cam Allen: 100%. Mhm. and lean into it.

Aliye Aydin: Collagen and bone broth planning what you're going to eat. Is there anything else for people who are thinking about doing this or have tried to get started on high protein eating and just haven't been able to?

Cam Allen: I think if you're into tracking, I would track just your protein for a week and just to see where you are. And when I am using macronutrients with clients,…

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Right. Right.

Cam Allen: It's always a weekly average. So don't beat yourself up if one day is higher, one day is lower. Think of yourself as an average because you really are not a calculator. There's no part of you that's a calculator. So average your protein. track it for a week and then average it for, divide by seven. how many grams are you eating in a day? Just to see…

Aliye Aydin: Right. That's good.

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Cam Allen: where you are.

Aliye Aydin: Start where you are and then go from there. Yeah. I love that.

Cam Allen: And really things like bone broth and collagen are and Greek yogurt. Those are my three favorite hacks.

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Right.

Cam Allen: I also eat eggs, Two to three eggs. That's another thing I used to eat, too. Now it's mostly three, to get up to what, 18 g,…

Aliye Aydin: Right. Right.

Cam Allen: three eggs.

Aliye Aydin: Tell me more about how exactly you work with your clients. What are you helping them with? Do you have a program or is it just one-on-one or…

Cam Allen: I do have a membership. It's called Move the Dial and…

Aliye Aydin: Okay.

Cam Allen: it's a fitness-based membership that women there's workouts in there and…

Aliye Aydin: Okay. Right.

Cam Allen: then twice a month we get together for ask me anything and so I answer any question things they hear on the internet or different trends so we have that I do have on-one clients and I'm in the middle of beta testing a new program it's their 10-minute mini workouts for women in menopause strength workouts and I'm really excited about that. The feedback's been great and that's coming soon.

Aliye Aydin: I'm really excited about that, too. Or is that the exercise snack thing you've been talking about on your Instagram?

Cam Allen: Yeah.

Aliye Aydin: Because that's my MO. I need to get up from my desk,…

Cam Allen: And just do it.

Aliye Aydin: do a little something, and then come back.

Cam Allen: Yeah. Absolutely. And the benefits from that,…

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. …

Cam Allen: there's a study saying that doing 10 air squats every 45 minutes during the day is more impactful to your blood sugar and your metabolism than one 30 minute walk. That's huge.

Aliye Aydin: that is huge.

Cam Allen: Huge. Yeah.

Aliye Aydin: Okay.

Cam Allen: I love talking about blood sugar and…

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Yes.

Cam Allen: metabolism. Those are things that affect people in midlife. Protein's part of that puzzle.

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. …

Cam Allen: For example, If you eat your food in a certain order, you can lower your blood sugar impact even though it's the same food just changing the order.

Aliye Aydin: Wait, tell me about that really quick.

Cam Allen: It's amazing. So, when you're looking at your plate of food,…

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. …

Cam Allen: just tell me a plate of food that you love eating. we'll

Aliye Aydin: stir- fried beef of some kind and a little bit of rice and maybe a small amount of raw salad, something or other like raw meat. Yeah.

Cam Allen: So, you always want to start with your fiber first. And if you didn't have a side salad, you could always start with your protein.

Aliye Aydin: Yeah, got it.

Cam Allen: So, any kind of fiber is going to form a mesh in your digestive system, which will lower your blood sugar impact. So, kind of think of when you're eating that salad, imagine it forming this mesh in your digestive tract, literally slowing the absorption into your bloodstream. So, I would start with salad first and then I would eat the protein second and…

Aliye Aydin: Right. Got it.

Cam Allen: making sure that you have stuff in your stomach and your body's working on that. And then I would add the rice. And I know you want to mix the rice in with the stir fry,…

Aliye Aydin: Right. Right.

Cam Allen: but I like,…

Aliye Aydin: Right. Yeah.

Cam Allen: I wouldn't start with the rice. you're going to spike your blood sugar and it doesn't matter what you eat afterwards. So, just putting the carbby carbs, I call them,…

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Yeah.

Cam Allen: near the end of the meal,…

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. I love that…

Cam Allen: making sure you have other food in your stomach, then you're good to go. Mhm.

Aliye Aydin: because intuitively I always start with protein in the morning. If somebody's like, "Hey, you want a not protein item?" I have to say no because I know I'll feel terrible an hour later. But that's what I'm doing. I'm making sure I have the protein. And then if somebody's like, "Let's go get a pastry." I'm like, "Okay, what have I already had?" I'm like, " I've already had a fair amount of protein, so a pastry isn't going to bug me." But…

Cam Allen: Exactly. 100%.

Aliye Aydin: if it's the first thing I eat in the morning, it's going to set me off for the rest of the day. Yeah.

Cam Allen: Yeah. Yeah. I'm a child of the 80s, so we went to high school with a glass of orange juice and a bagel and you're out the door. And I can only imagine…

Aliye Aydin: Totally totally totally right.

Cam Allen: what our blood sugar was doing and then we were hungry a minute later probably. and I'm not saying don't drink the orange juice or eat the bagel, but make sure you have something else in your system that's not going to raise your blood sugar.

Aliye Aydin: Just start the protein and…

Cam Allen: And then you Yes.

Aliye Aydin: the fiber.

Cam Allen: Protein and…

Aliye Aydin: Fiber and…

Cam Allen: ber. Yes.

Aliye Aydin: then the protein.

Cam Allen: And again, don't be so harsh on yourself,…

Aliye Aydin: Right. Right.

Cam Allen: Yeah. But I Exactly.

Aliye Aydin: If it doesn't happen, do it differently the next time. Yeah.

Cam Allen: I'm never going to pass up a pizza ever.

Aliye Aydin: Right. Ellie.

Cam Allen: But I'm gonna make sure I lower it by making sure I have a salad first or a ton of veggies on my pizza or using apple cider vinegar is one of the hacks that lowers the …

Aliye Aydin: What?

Cam Allen: because of the acidic acid lowers the glucose response. I know. So, if you wanted to double hack, you could have a apple cider vinegar vinegarette that you made on top of your salad.

Aliye Aydin: Which I always do. my gosh.

Cam Allen: And that's a double whammy as far as that goes. So, I also like mixing, let's say I'm going out to dinner and I won't be able to control the food as much.

Aliye Aydin: Right. Yeah.

Cam Allen: I would drink maybe a sparkling water with a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar before I go or…

Aliye Aydin: Wow.

Cam Allen: before a meal that I know is very carb heavy I'm going to an Italian restaurant or something. And that will also help lower your glucose response.

Aliye Aydin: Yeah. Yeah. That is so cool.

Cam Allen: It's so fun.

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Aliye Aydin: I always knew I call it ACV. Apple cider vinegar is always been I know it has these health properties.

Cam Allen: Yep. Yeah. Yeah. …

Aliye Aydin: I did not know about this one.

Cam Allen: blood sugar, but also gut health. So, it's Yeah.

Aliye Aydin: That's the one I knew of in kind of the liver cleansing thing.

Cam Allen: Right.

Aliye Aydin: That's the one I knew of. But this is so good. Cam, thank you.

Cam Allen: So, you can stack all these things together.

Aliye Aydin: Right. Yeah.

Cam Allen: Your world and my world mesh beautifully.

Aliye Aydin: I love that. So, if people want to get in touch with you or follow you or dive more into your world, how can they get a hold of you?

Cam Allen: You can find me hanging out on Instagram.

Aliye Aydin: Okay, that's okay.

Cam Allen: It's Heymama_am. That's a long story. I don't know why, but that's what it is. Yeah. So, you can find me there and there's links in the bio I have different free guides. there's a strength training guide in there for you, too. So,…

Aliye Aydin: Okay, awesome. I need to go do my squats.

Cam Allen: Set your timer.

Aliye Aydin: Thank you for being with us.

Cam Allen: Thank you.